I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before but one of the reasons why I'm excited about Tangled is that it will be the first true CG animated theatrically released musical (I think so anyway). I've always wondered why the musical was never used in the CG style of animation.

On that light over at imdb, there is a thread that mentions one of the song titles. It's called which apparently is the duet between Flynn and Rapunzel. I saw a another title over at Wikipedia that even had a citation but it's been removed. I can't remember the title exactly but it came from some toy fair where the Rapunzel doll sang her song from the movie, apparently there is a new range of princess dolls where they sing their song from the movie. Not too sure why the info got deleted as it seemed pretty legit. There was also another song title mentioned but the site was in Spanish and I had no idea how accurate that was.

Featurette - A Tangled World: Creating the Look

Thanks for posting that clip. The clip of Rapunzel running through the forest is absolutely gorgeous. The stuff I'm seeing. combined with the news of some of the song titles, makes me wish it was November already. I really think Disney is onto a winner here.

And another clip I found posted at imdb, this time rough animation that is being shown as Disney Hollywodd Studios. You even get to see Gothel

It's funny...seeing that featurette (which'll probably turn up on the video disc release anyway ) almost got me to thinking that maybe the movie should be called Rapunzel.

BUT...then I started to think - and this is something I've been meaning to mention here for a while - that it is perhaps 100% correct for this film not to be named Rapunzel. Why? Because "Rapunzel" is a straight-told version of the fairytale that was conceived and to be directed by Glen Keane.

That film basically doesn't exist anymore, or otherwise we'd be complaining that Keane has had his dream project taken away from him, etc, etc. That already happened. After many false starts and delays while he attempted to get CGI to mimic traditional hand animation, and more false starts while they tried to hammer the story issues out (trying to please his attempts to make a straight Beauty And The Beast in CG alongside the studio's wishes that fairytales could only be approached as self-aware comedies after Shrek), he was eventually taken off the film as director.

I think, by that point, the studio's Shrek take had won over (though Keane managed to kill the contemporary spun bookends) and the Rapunzel Unbraided title had been adopted. By this point, the film wasn't "Glen Keane's Rapunzel" anymore, and it never would be.

While his naturalistic, hand-drawn CG style seems to have almost survived apart from a slightly simplified look, this isn't the film he set out to make. As such, it wouldn't really be right to call the film Rapunzel, whatever directions the story takes.

Sorry to bring up the sore point of these title shenanigans again, but it just hit me the other day: Rapunzel was Glen Keane's film, and this isn't that anymore. And it isn't the interim Rapunzel Unbraided. Just as Bolt wasn't Amercian Dog (and not the later studio considered Hollywood Dog).

While it may have started as Rapunzel, and while that may still work very well as a title (as we have seen with some European marketing), Tangled - the best of all the alternate titles, everyone has to agree (to think it could have been called "Hair" as in those wonderful tests; is that Menken's score on that? Wow!) - is the result of what this film is. And from the looks of it, even from that featurette, I think it's going to suit this film very well.

"What's Tangled?" / "It's Disney's comedy take on Rapunzel" is the right way to go, since it's not Disney's (and certainly not Glen Keane's) straight take on Rapunzel. If for nothing else, the title change shouldn't be putting people off this movie, which looks stunning otherwise.

If Disney's marketers feel this is the way for a good movie to find its audience and - hey! - put Disney back on the map in terms of feature animation, which this looks set to do nicely as Lasseter's first "real" CG project since he took over (or at least the one he was around for to rebuild from the ground up), then that's a small thing to accept.

And it still allows Disney to make a straight version of Rapunzel - called Rapunzel - in 20 to 30 years!

I'm glad you bought the issue of the title back up Ben as I too have been thinking recently about the title change. The reasons you have given for it make absolute perfect sense. More sense than the reasons the directors recently made about the stpry not just being about Rapunzel but Flynn as well. And even though that's the official PR line, I'll admit I'm buying it and prefer it to the boys won't go see see princess movies line.

I also think that possibly subconsciously it was changed from Rapunzel to Tangled to help avoid silly people thinking it was about a different Rapunzel. Remember Rapunzel was evil in Shrek The Third and possibly there are people out there who may have thought that this movie was about Shrek's Rapunzel. Sure we here know the difference between Disney and Dreamworks but I could give you plenty of examples where people think Shrek is Disney or Pixar. And really are those people going to take their kids to see a movie about an evil princess who wasn't really that memorable in the film

The other thought I've had is that by changing it to Tangled you will help those dopey parents who think that their daughter has already seen Rapunzel, cause they rented Barbie as Rapunzel, go to the cinema because Tangled doesn't conjure up the Rapunzel story straight away.

On another note, I am loving the teaser poster. It is definitely aimed at the older crowd. And all the concept art and footage I'm seeing I really do think Disney has a winner here. And in my fantasy world that I like to live in, it's going to thrown down a major challenge to Toy Story 3 for that coveted little golden guy. But then I think I'm currently being blinded by the concept of having another full blown Alan Menken musical arriving this year.

Well...remember that Glen Keane is still working on this, overseeing the animtion, and helping it look as 2-D and as painterly as it is, which may not be as much as was originally, but is at least still there.

Also, remember, it started out as Rapunzel, became Rapunzel Unbraided, then became Rapunzel again, and then, what really happened was marketing told them to change it to Tangled, which the directors didn't decide or want to do.

Also, this film looks amazing now, and I don't see why they would make another Rapunzel after this.

So, for all of this, aside from the other reason being that this really is still very much about Rapunzel and her story...it could still, and yes, I'm going to say it, should still be called Rapunzel. I mean, in an interview they said they wanted to make the definitive version of Rapunzel like all the previous Disney fairy tales. It can't be the definitive version of Rapunzel if it's not called Rapunzel, or like those past films if it doesn't keep the traditional naming they had.

Ben, what about Glen doing Beauty and the Beast in CGI?! I know that one test for this film's look included making Snow White's watercolor background of the cottage in CGI, meaning it looked like the original 2-D painting, but then it moved in 3-dimensions. At least I heard. But that seems to have been all but tossed out, as the painterly look seems only mildy in this now.

As I said, it could still very well be called Rapunzel, but the fact is that it's not a straight version of the story and it's not Keane's original vision either. My point was that if had to be called Tangled to draw in an audience (Bill raises some good comparison points as well, though I'm not sure I buy the Shrek connection) then there are many reasons to consider this a not-so-terrible change.

Also, I never said Glen Keane was doing Beauty And The Beast in CG. And it's clear that, while he remains solidly on the film, the traditional look is down to him even if it has been rendered a little more simply, presumably because of budgetary reasons.

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Ben, I was asking you about this:


Anyway, this is looking more and more like a straight-telling of the Rapunzel story. There is even lots pointing to them opening with a traditional Disney classic fairy tale storybook that tells Rapunzel's mother was sick, so she needed a plant from the witch's garden to live while she was carrying her baby:




Yes, that's right, some pictures leaked from a Disney Hollywood Studios Rapunzel display. But there are lots of spoilers. But a lot of it hints at keeping close and straight to the Grimm's story, even the ending (I don't think Rapunzel's twins, though, even though the directors said they had wanted to keep that at first!).

Anyway, this could and I still say should be called Rapunzel. It is still very much Glen Keane's special project he is watching over, even her design looks so close to the first pictures we saw of her, and he keeps posting sketches of the characters online that show he probably lead the designs of many other characters. If he wanted to re-do Rapunzel even more his way, he could still call it Rapunzel, just re-done. All that would really change is the style anyway I would think, because he could never finish the actual story, at least we heard. Just the first acts and perhaps the general ideas of the whole thing, but he didn't completely flesh out or work out the story originally.

And I forgot to say I don't think very many people at all, including me thought Tangled was the best alternate title. It sounds the most hip, modern, silly and comedic instead of the others which sounded more fairy tale-like but still "exciting to boys".

I think I have to agree with the notion that this is more of a "twist" story like Princess and the Frog or Chicken Little. Not that it's the same kind of film as either of those, but as said it's an interpretation of Rapunzel, (in another words, kind of satire, albeit one with heart) rather than a straight retelling. So I also think the title suits the film. True Chicken Little had the same title and Princess had more or less the same title, but honestly I don't think it would have mattered if they had different titles than they did. (Princess with an appropriate title respectful to the material of course.) They were both a take on their fairy tale/fable, and not a straight retelling.

On the other hand Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, despite adjustments to the plot, were the fairy tales. They weren't fairy tales with a twist. That's why they had the original titles. Ditto the Little Mermaid, they could have just called it "Under the Sea!" or something if it was a "new twist on the original."


True, he was still working on it but the big story decisions were not going to be made by him. (From what I understand) as an animation director he's subject to what the regular directors decide; he doesn't have the final word even if he does have a voice.

It looks like a lot of fun, and is of course great looking. Honestly, in the end I agree that it Tangled is the more appropriate title.

"It is written among the limitless constellations of the celestial heavens, and in the depths of the emerald seas....the world which we see is an outward and visible dream of an inward and invisible reality."

Which also plays into capturing the Enchanted crowd, meaning that this could be very big and just what Disney really needs about now.

But all these one word coined titles have got me to thinking: what would the other Disney classics have been called? Here's a few ideas...

Dwarfed
Carved
Performed
Soared
Hunted
Bibbity-Bobbity-Booed
Dusted
Dropped
Tramped
Slumbered
Dog-napped
Nannied
Swung
Cat-napped
Bullseye
Rescued
Poohed
Friends
Magicked
Un-Finned
Locked
Rubbed
Hamleted
Relations
Hunched
Herc'd
Warrior
Alien
Furred
Uddered
Belittled
Bowled
Dogged
Frogged
Tangled

Most of those would need an exclamation point to hammer home the titles' intent, but you get the idea. Can you guess 'em, or come up with others?

No comment on the beatiful artwork I keep posting in here? I thought this was about good animation...

Okay, well, I wanna know what the twist is. Chicken Little's twist was aliens. The Princess and the Frog's twist was modern, different country, and the princess becomes a frog, too. So what is Tangled's twist? That the princess was born a princess? That's pretty traditional-like. That the Prince is now a bandit? It's still of that fairy tale time period, and there's hinting he may secretly be a prince. That it's comedic? Aladdin was.

The only good reason it shouldn't be called Rapunzel is one thing, and that's if they change the story too much which they might have. What I mean is, it turns out that the plant that saves Rapunzel's mother may not be Rapunzel lettuce from the witch's garden, but a mysterious magical flower that they make a healing tea from. That's not how the story goes, and I don't want Disney to say that is, and have little kids thing that's how it goes. But really, it can still be called Rapunzel. Especially since I think the flower may be from Rapunzel (because a certain kind of flower can be called Rapunzel, look it up), and it is still the name of the star of this film. Also, Cinderella was apparently named that by her parents in the Disney version, Aurora was not the real name of the princess in the original version (that was her daughter's name), and Snow White was named after snow and a rose in the Disney version while it was after snow and blood in the original version. So, Rapunzel can still be Rapunzel just like the other Disney versions.

Ben, those are really hilarious, more hilarious than a lot of other ones I've seen people do, more and more clever! I especially love Poohed! And Hamleted, oh geeze! Oh, and Belittled, yes, yes indeed.

But I do have to ask what some are. Is Dusted Peter Pan? And Dropped is Alice in Wonderland? In chronological order, they would be reversed. I don't know what Nannied would be. Swung is Jungle Book, right? And Relations is Pocahontas?

I do have some suggestions. I think I would make Soared be Eared! I might make Bibbity-Bobbity-Booed be Fitted, but I like yours better. But I think I'd make Dusted Flown, or...Regressed, haha! I might make Dropped be Wondered. I might make Swung be Jungle-Raised or just Raised. I think I'd make Bullseye be Robbed. I definately think I would make Friends be...Parted, or Seperated. I might make Magicked into Black-Magicked or even Blackened just to be more specific. I would make Locked be Tamed. I might make Hamleted be Bamleted to be more specific, I think they referred to TLK as Bamlet a few times, you know why, right, hehe? I might make Relations be Foreign or Discovered. I might make Herc'd be Muscled or Strengthened or Deified. And Alien is to much like, well, the movie Alien, so it could be...Experimented! What if Bowled was Forwarded?

There's some you have missed that others did address. I don't like to consider them Animated Classics, but Disney does include Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Melody Time, and the Aventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad. There's some others missing, can you guess which one this is: Detected. I bet you will.

I even have some for the ones I mentioned. Saluded, Freed, and Driven (like driven mad, works for both!).

Oh, by the way Ben that was not Menken score in the video of test animation with the title "Hair", at least I heard it wasn't, that the guy just put that music in there cause he thought it fit, and it does it is great.

Just some guesses:

Performed: Fantasia
Slumbered: Sleeping Beauty
Dog-napped: 101 Dalmations
Nannied: Mary Poppins
Swung: Tarzan
Cat-napped: Aristocrats
Magicked: Sword in the Stone
Un-Finned: Finding Nemo
Rubbed: Aladdin
Warrior: Mulan
Uddered: Home on the Range
Belittled: Honey, I shrunk the kids

"It is written among the limitless constellations of the celestial heavens, and in the depths of the emerald seas....the world which we see is an outward and visible dream of an inward and invisible reality."

My guesses

Dwarfed: Snow White And The 7 Dwarfs
Carved: Pinocchio
Performed: Fantasia
Soared: Dumbo
Hunted: Bambi
Bibbity-Bobbity-Booed: Cinderella
Dusted: Peter Pan
Dropped: Alice In Wonderland
Tramped: Lady And The Tramp
Slumbered: Sleeping Beauty
Dog-napped: 101 Dalmatians
Nannied: The Sword In The Stone
Swung: The Jungle Book
Cat-napped: The Aristocats
Bullseye: Robin Hood
Rescued: The Rescuers
Poohed: The Many Adventures Of Winnie-The-Pooh
Friends: The Fox And The Hound
Magicked: The Black Cauldron
Un-Finned: The Little Mermaid
Locked: Beauty And The Beast
Rubbed: Aladdin
Hamleted: The Lion King
Relations: Pocahontas
Hunched: The Hunchback Of Notre Dame
Herc'd: Hercules
Warrior: Mulan
Alien: Lilo & Stitch
Furred: Brother Bear
Uddered: Home On The Range
Belittled: Chicken Little
Bowled: Meet The Robinsons
Dogged: Bolt
Frogged: The Princess And The Frog
Tangled: Rapunzel

Hmmm...some interesting comments and guesses here!

Dusty...my name titles were a spur of the moment thing: I tried to keep chronological but - hey - so I messed up 1951 and 1953. Big deal?

I liked "Eared" for Dumbo, but would stick with "Soared" (that way they could tie in the Soarin' ride at the parks, y'know, for syngery), and I did actually think of "Fitted" for Cinders, but thought "Bibbity-Bobbity-Booed" was funnier and more "appropriate". But definitely a good catch on "Robbed" for Robin Hood. Better than my "Bullseye" as it fits both character and story - nice! With the other titles I was trying to stick to the one words, and "Alien" was supposed to be a joke...imagine a Disney film called "Alien" after the movie that we would all automatically tie that name to! I didn't worry covering the Package Features since, again, that was supposed to just be a quick, fun, post.

On Vi and Bill's (well done, sir!) guesses...some clarifications:

- "Swung" was The Jungle Book - I completely forgot Tarzan! Howabout "Aped"?
- "Magicked" was The Black Cauldron - not immediately recognizable, but I was thinking of Disney's marketing trying to make the movie appealing!
- "Un-Finned" was The Little Mermaid (no Pixar here). I wanted to just got for "Finned" but that's the reverse of the plot. You could drop the dash for a straight "Unfinned", which might be more in keeping!
- "Belittled" was Chicken Little (nothing but the "classics" in the list), which played on the character name and the movie's plot.
- "Nannied" was Mary Poppins (I thought about "Poppined", but it wouldn't really work or make sense).

But I like "Robbed" for Robin Hood, and "Aped" for Tarzan, so add those into the "Unofficial Official Alternate Classics" mix, along with "Lost" for Atlantis.